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	<title>Comments on: Crispin Porter &amp; Bogusky Keeps Getting Better for BK</title>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
		<link>http://paulpowered.com/2009/01/crispin-porter-bogusky-keeps-getting-better-for-bk/comment-page-1/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, we all have misses in our past, there&#039;s no doubt about that. I have plenty of my own.

I think my primary point in all that babbling was that in my opinion, CP+B is all about BUZZ. And I&#039;m always skeptical of agencies that define themselves that way. Simply because I strongly suspect that when an agency&#039;s comfort zone/area of &quot;success&quot; is buzz and buzz only, it&#039;s because that agency can&#039;t stand up to real measurement.

If you can&#039;t show me any work that has real, quantifiable numbers -- concrete rather than abstract success -- numbers/metrics/dollars instead of warm fuzzies -- then I have to assume you&#039;ve got a little bit of an Emperor&#039;s New Clothes thing going on.

I agree with your point about creativity, and as I say, I love experimenting with new, fresh, interesting, and even lunatic ways of doing a very old job, but when you define success as &quot;anything that makes the client more famous,&quot; you really have lost me.

I mean, unless your client is Paris Hilton, that theory is so very flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, we all have misses in our past, there&#8217;s no doubt about that. I have plenty of my own.</p>
<p>I think my primary point in all that babbling was that in my opinion, CP+B is all about BUZZ. And I&#8217;m always skeptical of agencies that define themselves that way. Simply because I strongly suspect that when an agency&#8217;s comfort zone/area of &#8220;success&#8221; is buzz and buzz only, it&#8217;s because that agency can&#8217;t stand up to real measurement.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t show me any work that has real, quantifiable numbers &#8212; concrete rather than abstract success &#8212; numbers/metrics/dollars instead of warm fuzzies &#8212; then I have to assume you&#8217;ve got a little bit of an Emperor&#8217;s New Clothes thing going on.</p>
<p>I agree with your point about creativity, and as I say, I love experimenting with new, fresh, interesting, and even lunatic ways of doing a very old job, but when you define success as &#8220;anything that makes the client more famous,&#8221; you really have lost me.</p>
<p>I mean, unless your client is Paris Hilton, that theory is so very flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://paulpowered.com/2009/01/crispin-porter-bogusky-keeps-getting-better-for-bk/comment-page-1/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Elise Thank you for the feedback. Having lived in the agency world for a while so I realize that there are several agencies of record for each client. In that environment agencies strive to be &quot;the&quot; agency for the client. You and I know that will never happen because having multiple agencies in the mix creates healthy competition. 

Also, you are absolutely correct about metrics and results. I like to preach transparency and ROI. So, I believe that metrics are of the utmost importance in illustrating to your clients that a campaign is working. 

While I admit that this post was a little premature given that the campaign was in its early stages of deployment, I still believe that they were successful in creating an emotional attachment to something that most take for granted. A hamburger. 

Remember the circus campaign for BK? I would like to forget that one. As much as I hate to admit, I have been part of some campaign &quot;misses&quot; as well. However, I think that it is important to have feedback like this so long as that we learn from the mistakes and continue to get more creative with advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Elise Thank you for the feedback. Having lived in the agency world for a while so I realize that there are several agencies of record for each client. In that environment agencies strive to be &#8220;the&#8221; agency for the client. You and I know that will never happen because having multiple agencies in the mix creates healthy competition. </p>
<p>Also, you are absolutely correct about metrics and results. I like to preach transparency and ROI. So, I believe that metrics are of the utmost importance in illustrating to your clients that a campaign is working. </p>
<p>While I admit that this post was a little premature given that the campaign was in its early stages of deployment, I still believe that they were successful in creating an emotional attachment to something that most take for granted. A hamburger. </p>
<p>Remember the circus campaign for BK? I would like to forget that one. As much as I hate to admit, I have been part of some campaign &#8220;misses&#8221; as well. However, I think that it is important to have feedback like this so long as that we learn from the mistakes and continue to get more creative with advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
		<link>http://paulpowered.com/2009/01/crispin-porter-bogusky-keeps-getting-better-for-bk/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record (ha), CP+B is BK&#039;s ***traditional*** agency of record. BK has a number of agencies of record.

Also for the record, while CP+B has had a few BK successes (and as much as I loved the idea of Whopper Sacrifice, I&#039;d love to see some metrics, because I just can&#039;t see that having had a very strong return), they&#039;ve been outnumbered by some profound failures.

No one remembers CockRock because BK&#039;s legal dept. ordered it pulled from the web less than half an hour after it rolled live. I know that because I was the one who was tasked with pulling it.

That campaign cost a fortune, had zero return, and got CPB sued by Slipknot.

Remember Chickenfight? Neither does anyone else.

I could name plenty more.

The rebranding effort CP+B led in 2003 (? maybe 04?) was strong and has had excellent results. They also convinced BK to tighten their focus, as well, going after their strongest target, 18-25 yr old blue-collar males, and that&#039;s had good results, too. But bottom line, BK is still a way-behind #2 (and barely holding on to that; in fact, they may have slipped to #3 behind Subway by now), and their stock recently received the dreaded two-star rating from Motley Fool.

I don&#039;t know that that kind of performance rates any kudos.

I love change, and I love that advertising is taking some new and fresh directions, but most of this stuff is in shakedown cruise mode.

I&#039;m going to be very hesitant to call anything a success until I see that it is actually resulting in $$$ for the client.

Success must be measurable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record (ha), CP+B is BK&#8217;s ***traditional*** agency of record. BK has a number of agencies of record.</p>
<p>Also for the record, while CP+B has had a few BK successes (and as much as I loved the idea of Whopper Sacrifice, I&#8217;d love to see some metrics, because I just can&#8217;t see that having had a very strong return), they&#8217;ve been outnumbered by some profound failures.</p>
<p>No one remembers CockRock because BK&#8217;s legal dept. ordered it pulled from the web less than half an hour after it rolled live. I know that because I was the one who was tasked with pulling it.</p>
<p>That campaign cost a fortune, had zero return, and got CPB sued by Slipknot.</p>
<p>Remember Chickenfight? Neither does anyone else.</p>
<p>I could name plenty more.</p>
<p>The rebranding effort CP+B led in 2003 (? maybe 04?) was strong and has had excellent results. They also convinced BK to tighten their focus, as well, going after their strongest target, 18-25 yr old blue-collar males, and that&#8217;s had good results, too. But bottom line, BK is still a way-behind #2 (and barely holding on to that; in fact, they may have slipped to #3 behind Subway by now), and their stock recently received the dreaded two-star rating from Motley Fool.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that that kind of performance rates any kudos.</p>
<p>I love change, and I love that advertising is taking some new and fresh directions, but most of this stuff is in shakedown cruise mode.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to be very hesitant to call anything a success until I see that it is actually resulting in $$$ for the client.</p>
<p>Success must be measurable.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://paulpowered.com/2009/01/crispin-porter-bogusky-keeps-getting-better-for-bk/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Thanks for this post, it&#039;s simultaneously awesome to see someone&#039;s first bite into something we take for granted (and enjoy it) and horrible to see them consuming our most stereotypically fatty export.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Thanks for this post, it&#8217;s simultaneously awesome to see someone&#8217;s first bite into something we take for granted (and enjoy it) and horrible to see them consuming our most stereotypically fatty export.</p>
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		<title>By: tyler hurst</title>
		<link>http://paulpowered.com/2009/01/crispin-porter-bogusky-keeps-getting-better-for-bk/comment-page-1/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>tyler hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cannot create a viral campaign. You can make it easy to be one, you can make something so interesting people pass it on, but you cannot create a viral campaign.

This was a great idea that everyone liked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot create a viral campaign. You can make it easy to be one, you can make something so interesting people pass it on, but you cannot create a viral campaign.</p>
<p>This was a great idea that everyone liked.</p>
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